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Reason for so many busts this season?


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1 hour ago, oliminator123 said:

62% completion percentage and his yardage is a**. The offense moves and gets him into the red zone. Mostly based off of his legs. All these teams with running quarterbacks tend to have useless running backs corps behind them because the QB would rather do it himself. It's just Cam Newton extrapolated. 

Lol WHAT?? First of all, Lamar has a 64% comp percentage, not 62%. And he’s on pace for over 4,000 passing yards and 50+ passing TDs. Oh, and he's 4th in the league in rushing, like the whole league.

Cmon bro, what’re you really critiquing here..

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It's just because more people get hurt these days and there's more rotation and committees.  Makes weekly head to head matchups incredibly frustrating.  There was more predictability in the past, now it's impossible to tell who's going to be utilized in the game plan on a week to week basis.  I guess you can attribute that to players from top to bottom being better and coaching evolving.  Basically, it's harder to find that regular advantage that more skilled players may have had in the past.

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 I also think we’re seeing a shift in what position players choose to play.

Soccer isn’t popular in the USA so our soccer team isn’t that good. It makes more sense for athletic freaks to shoot for the NFL or NBA here over going pro in soccer.

Point is, who would want to play RB? Horrible contracts, short career, not great pay, not valued position, take the most brutal punishment etc etc.  If you’re built big like 230 it makes a lot more sense to look at putting on a few pounds and playing LB for example. Maybe if you’re closer to 200 try and play corner or WR.

It’s not going to work for everyone. There’s guys that are just built better for certain positions but I guarantee there’s a lot of guys leaving RB and also not as much guys growing up wanting to play it. At least guys with NFL aspirations. Again, the second you see you got what it takes to make the NFL it makes sense to try and make it at literally any position but RB.

So I think the talent gap is just increasing. 

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27 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

I tried to get CMC, Javonte, and Swift, wherever I could and put them together with either Kelce or Andrews.  Got Chubb in one, wasn't my first choice but obviously worked out.  Would have taken Barkley or Eitenne but they never made it to a spot where I was.

Avoided Ekeler, Cook, Jones, Fournette, Conner, Elliot, Kamara and Henry.

Those teams aren't doing too bad, 2-1 or 3-0 in most.  Could have worked out with Henry or Jones.  Glad I didn't get Etienne of course.

In one of my money leagues I’m 3-0 and still have a shot this week to be highest scorer all 3 weeks. My other league I’m 2-1 chance to be highest scorer 2 weeks in a row. CSB I know… Not meant to be a flex but rather a point:

Which is: In the 3-0 league, I took 3 RBs in the first 5 rounds. 2 of which were Etienne and Penny. In the 2-1 league I took Harris 3rd overall and Jacobs in the 4th.

We all play on the same battlefield. You and your league mates. Trust me: I know how much luck goes into fantasy. However, this entire “boohoo the game is different and all BS now” narrative just doesn’t work for me. Adapt with the changes. I’ll complain about how ******** stupid this game is as well especially with injuries and everything being decided on one day. However, that’s been around forever. It’s part of the brutality of fantasy football.

Complaining about the meta though? Just seems like people are behind the curve to me. 

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1 hour ago, SadFaceHappy said:

Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, with Lawrence emerging to potentially join that group and Watson waiting to resume his career.

Then second tier guys like Stafford & Dak, semi second tier dudes like Cousins, Tua, Carr, Kyler capable of having a couple elite games a year.

That's 14 legit alternatives to Jackson and Hurts, who are really the only low volume passers listed.

25% of current starters are legitimately elite QBs, and not just for fantasy. 

The NFL has never had so many elite, great, or good QBs playing at the same time.  If the golden age of NFL QBs is over, it's only because we've upped it to the platinum age.

Brady and Rodgers haven't looked like themselves, not to mention Brady is retiring probably after this year. 

Mahomes, Allen and Herbert - yes. 

Burrow has been average at best this season. And it's way too early to crown Lawrence after one game.

That's MAYBE 4 studs left after this season. Having an "elite game" twice a year means nothing. It seems like we had a bunch of bonafide studs in years past and now after 6 it drops off hard. 

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19 minutes ago, gregp said:

Lol WHAT?? First of all, Lamar has a 64% comp percentage, not 62%. And he’s on pace for over 4,000 passing yards and 50+ passing TDs. Oh, and he's 4th in the league in rushing, like the whole league.

Cmon bro, what’re you really critiquing here..

He can't throw. Every year it's his weakness. Not sure how anyone can dispute that. His strength is his legs which you even agreed with me on. He's on a team constantly flinging the ball which is good for his TD stats, but wait until all those interceptions start piling up with. 

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6 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

In one of my money leagues I’m 3-0 and still have a shot this week to be highest scorer all 3 weeks. My other league I’m 2-1 chance to be highest scorer 2 weeks in a row. CSB I know… Not meant to be a flex but rather a point:

Which is: In the 3-0 league, I took 3 RBs in the first 5 rounds. 2 of which were Etienne and Penny. In the 2-1 league I took Harris 3rd overall and Jacobs in the 4th.

We all play on the same battlefield. You and your league mates. Trust me: I know how much luck goes into fantasy. However, this entire “boohoo the game is different and all BS now” narrative just doesn’t work for me. Adapt with the changes. I’ll complain about how ******** stupid this game is as well especially with injuries and everything being decided on one day. However, that’s been around forever. It’s part of the brutality of fantasy football.

Complaining about the meta though? Just seems like people are behind the curve to me. 

I don't think much has really changed just rescripting the complaints of every year. 

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2 minutes ago, oliminator123 said:

Brady and Rodgers haven't looked like themselves, not to mention Brady is retiring probably after this year. 

Mahomes, Allen and Herbert - yes. 

Burrow has been average at best this season. And it's way too early to crown Lawrence after one game.

That's MAYBE 4 studs left after this season. Having an "elite game" twice a year means nothing. It seems like we had a bunch of bonafide studs in years past and now after 6 it drops off hard. 

We got a pretty good crop of QBs coming up. This years talent at the position was awful. Last years was overrated.

Stroud is excellent and more of a traditional QB. I think Young will be great but he’s sort of what people complain about with rushing. Maybe I’m bias but Penix out of Washington looks like a damn good pocket passer (don’t be shocked if he ends up going top 15).

You still got guys like Richardson who look lost throwing half the time and run around but I do think this QB class can be really good for the NFL. 

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I think the main reason there are so many busts are because fantasy football sucks.....followed by....football sucks.  Terrible sport...too many commercials and stoppages.  Give me hockey, soccer, or basketball.  ****...give me rugby.  Pretty sure all the players realize they are playing a dumb sport and half-assing it. 

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There's a "why are there so many busts this season?!" sentiment every year.

And yet, I suspect that there is one team in first place in every league.

Everyone's team looks like it's stacked after draft night. That's because our draft picks were largely based on last year's performance, and the NFL completely reshuffles itself every season. Players that weren't great last season get better. Older players start to show their age, and sometimes they're supplanted by rookies and younger guys before expected. Beat writers and fantasy analysts get the depth chart and touch splits wrong. Coaching changes often don't work out.

This is a fun game because it's difficult to predict. If every player performed exactly in line with their ADP and nobody busted or outperformed, it wouldn't be fun.

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5 minutes ago, dudewithabadcat said:

I think the main reason there are so many busts are because fantasy football sucks.....followed by....football sucks.  Terrible sport...too many commercials and stoppages.  Give me hockey, soccer, or basketball.  ****...give me rugby.  Pretty sure all the players realize they are playing a dumb sport and half-assing it. 

Red zone is great. When you actually sit and watch an entire game like SNF you start to realize how ******** brutal it can be. 

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It's the HC and coordinators.  Always trying to reinvent the wheel.  It's no longer acceptable to be good or efficient.  They need to put their own little "twist" on their offense.  TE jet sweeps in goal line situations.  Ridiculous RB rotations.  Someone, please kill and bury the wildcat.  Knock, knock genius OC's.  They know you're not throwing the effin' ball.  They're all (or mostly) egomaniacs.  Whatever happened to running a football play on 3rd/4th and short?  Now, they line up, motion everyone but the beer sales guy, and run a Triple Lindy.  It's become a combination of a football game, and Who Can Top This?

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13 minutes ago, oliminator123 said:

He can't throw. Every year it's his weakness. Not sure how anyone can dispute that. His strength is his legs which you even agreed with me on. He's on a team constantly flinging the ball which is good for his TD stats, but wait until all those interceptions start piling up with. 

You’re living in the past. Last season he showed obvious improvements as a passer and this seasons he’s taken it a step further. I still want to see Lamar show up in the playoffs but the narrative that he can’t throw is old 

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2 minutes ago, Goatstain3 said:

It's the HC and coordinators.  Always trying to reinvent the wheel.  It's no longer acceptable to be good or efficient.  They need to put their own little "twist" on their offense.  TE jet sweeps in goal line situations.  Ridiculous RB rotations.  Someone, please kill and bury the wildcat.  Knock, knock genius OC's.  They know you're not throwing the effin' ball.  They're all (or mostly) egomaniacs.  Whatever happened to running a football play on 3rd/4th and short?  Now, they line up, motion everyone but the beer sales guy, and run a Triple Lindy.  It's become a combination of a football game, and Who Can Top This?

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21 minutes ago, oliminator123 said:

He can't throw. Every year it's his weakness. Not sure how anyone can dispute that. His strength is his legs which you even agreed with me on. He's on a team constantly flinging the ball which is good for his TD stats, but wait until all those interceptions start piling up with. 

Lamar has 33 INTs in 61 career games, just slightly over an interception every other game, so averages about 8 or 9 interceptions in a season, over 4 years.  Now that he’s more experienced, playing better than ever, and playing to break a QB contract record, you think he’s suddenly just gonna start throwing a ton of interceptions this year??

He is throwing a lot more this year, and he’s definitely not an ‘elite’ passer, so maybe he throws somewhere in the range of 12 INTs this year, but I don’t see more than that. Lamar has improved as a passer and player, and has too much to play for.

Tbh, even if he did throw 15-16 picks, that’s just fine for a guy that’s gonna pass for 4,000, rush for 1,000, and have 40+ combined TDs.

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18 minutes ago, dudewithabadcat said:

CEH went before sixth round in every one of my drafts.  CPATT went in the sixth in every draft.  

That's fair. CEH went in the 6th in a lot of my drafts.

CPAT did not go before the 7th in any of my drafts.

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12 minutes ago, dudewithabadcat said:

I think the main reason there are so many busts are because fantasy football sucks.....followed by....football sucks.  Terrible sport...too many commercials and stoppages.  Give me hockey, soccer, or basketball.  ****...give me rugby.  Pretty sure all the players realize they are playing a dumb sport and half-assing it. 

Basketball? If I want to watch a game of HORSE I turn on the NBA. Hockey and soccer? Yuck (Unless it's the World Cup). 

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4 minutes ago, Sonny_D said:

Basketball? If I want to watch a game of HORSE I turn on the NBA. Hockey and soccer? Yuck (Unless it's the World Cup). 

Basketball is great. Soccer is also great (MLS is garbage). I get the hype for hockey but never got into it. 

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I think the lack of preseason is indeed a major factor.

I don’t remember any teams having much of a dress rehearsal.

The whole thing felt like bubble wrap.

Now we’re dealing with the rust underneath it.

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1 hour ago, Gohawks said:

What?

Burrow, Allen. Herbert, and Mahomes are all elite pocket QBs and very young. Even when you look at next years draft class Stroud is a pocket passer and he might go first overall and Young is also a good passer. 

It's important to note that Allen was not viewed as a good pocket passer in the beginning, but he evolved into one. My point is that there is still hope. 

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