Gus Edwards 2022 Outlook

[Pastor3]

1 minute ago, jeremyt7 said:

We grabbing him? I'm super excited how HE says he's doing well in rehab ready to go etc etc. BUT do we think the Ravens let him jump on the saddle right away? You see what they did with JK Dobbins. 

his injury was supposedly less severe than ol' Dobber's, yet ... his rehab has been more complicated. 

tough call here - still in park

 

[jeremyt7]

Yeah I think I'm going to wait on him, there's no indication he's ready to play yet. I already have Brian Robinson and Dak occupying two of my bench spots. 

[SadFaceHappy]

On 9/18/2022 at 9:16 AM, dudewithabadcat said:

This. This was Gus’ backfield two years ago. It was his to own last year. And he is coming back hard for it. 
 

you are welcome for the bump everyone. 

Not really.  It was a 50/50 split.

Both Gus and Dobbins averaged 9 carries/game for the season, and that actually shifted to a 55/45 split in favor of Dobbins over the final 8 games (one of which Dobbins was out for).

If we just look at the games both played since Dobbins started getting regular carries (weeks 6-10 & 12-divisional, 12 games) we get Dobbins with 137 rushing attempts and 14 targets, and Gus with 119 rushes and 10 targets.

It was a relatively evenly split backfield, with Dobbins having a slightly larger share (54:46).

And while Gus' 5.0 yards/rush was extremely good, Dobbins averaged 6.0 yards/rush and scored 3 more TDs (9-6).

[TuesdaymorningQB]

4 hours ago, jeremyt7 said:

We grabbing him? I'm super excited how HE says he's doing well in rehab ready to go etc etc. BUT do we think the Ravens let him jump on the saddle right away? You see what they did with JK Dobbins. 

I picked him up because I have an IR spot but I wouldn't hold him if there were no IR slot available. I figure he could have some fantasy value by week 7 or so. Best case scenario is that he is ready to get some pitch count carries week 5 when he comes off IR (wouldn't start him then of course) and could be up to speed by week 7. 

[owenmills]

Watchlist still for me. Dobbins getting back this weekend and who knows when Gus will make his debut. Plus I generally hate the Ravens backfield

[ST. STEVEN]

4 hours ago, Pastor3 said:

his injury was supposedly less severe than ol' Dobber's, yet ... his rehab has been more complicated. 

tough call here - still in park

 

Yeah these rehabs/recovery are seldom linear, but there is no doubt he just had a clean ACL tear, while Dobber had a much more complicated, multi-ligament issue...

We'll see how JK looks today/moving forward, but I would be adding the Gus Bus where I could.

[dudewithabadcat]

On 9/25/2022 at 6:46 AM, SadFaceHappy said:

Not really.  It was a 50/50 split.

Both Gus and Dobbins averaged 9 carries/game for the season, and that actually shifted to a 55/45 split in favor of Dobbins over the final 8 games (one of which Dobbins was out for).

If we just look at the games both played since Dobbins started getting regular carries (weeks 6-10 & 12-divisional, 12 games) we get Dobbins with 137 rushing attempts and 14 targets, and Gus with 119 rushes and 10 targets.

It was a relatively evenly split backfield, with Dobbins having a slightly larger share (54:46).

And while Gus' 5.0 yards/rush was extremely good, Dobbins averaged 6.0 yards/rush and scored 3 more TDs (9-6).

I don't have much going for me on the statistic side.  When I watch both players run, its a no question, imo, that Gus is the more elite of the two when it comes to pure bang-em-up, pure running, with some sneaky moves in there.  I was watching more film of Gus last night and man......dude is a beast...can't wait for him to get back. 

[dudewithabadcat]

On 9/25/2022 at 8:23 AM, ST. STEVEN said:

Yeah these rehabs/recovery are seldom linear, but there is no doubt he just had a clean ACL tear, while Dobber had a much more complicated, multi-ligament issue...

We'll see how JK looks today/moving forward, but I would be adding the Gus Bus where I could.

Oh Gus is for sure the best pick up this week.  I get the sense that the recovery is being handled very conservatively.  I don't think it is a no-brainer week 5 start...but ...we have seen running backs just plug and play in quite often....stash of the year right now. 

[owenmills]

5 minutes ago, dudewithabadcat said:

Oh Gus is for sure the best pick up this week.  I get the sense that the recovery is being handled very conservatively.  I don't think it is a no-brainer week 5 start...but ...we have seen running backs just plug and play in quite often....stash of the year right now. 

That's quite a stretch....

[dudewithabadcat]

28 minutes ago, owenmills said:

That's quite a stretch....

let's play a game.....name a better stash at the moment? 

[pdog109]

No point in owning a BAL RB, this is Lamar show he is saying F you PAY ME. I love Gus though, sad.

[dudewithabadcat]

Just now, pdog109 said:

No point in owning a BAL RB, this is Lamar show he is saying F you PAY ME. I love Gus though, sad.

I don't see it that way.  I doubt that Harbaugh is looking to run his MVP candidate QB 11 times for 100 yards every game...that is just not smart.  What the Ravens don't have...is a running game.  Yes, there will be designed runs for Lamar.  However, due to the lack of a running back that can establish the run game (like Gus)...they are forced to play the way they are.  Gus is gonna open this offense up into overdrive. 

[JE7HorseGod]

7 minutes ago, dudewithabadcat said:

let's play a game.....name a better stash at the moment? 

Jameson Williams.

[dudewithabadcat]

Just now, JE7HorseGod said:

Jameson Williams.

In the barren landscape of no RBs and TEs....with the litany of WRs available.....ehhh...way more value in holding in a RB stash with major upside at the moment. ..if I want to get a stud WR...I can go out and find a stud WR on the trade wire.  a RB1/2 though?  Nah...not gonna find it. 

[JE7HorseGod]

Just now, dudewithabadcat said:

In the barren landscape of no RBs and TEs....with the litany of WRs available.....ehhh...way more value in holding in a RB stash with major upside at the moment. ..if I want to get a stud WR...I can go out and find a stud WR on the trade wire.  a RB1/2 though?  Nah...not gonna find it. 

Williams is just a much more dynamic athlete.  If I'm hopeful for someone recovering from an ACL it is someone who has the unique athletic tools to succeed.

Gus is going to be a JAG in a timeshare in an offense that at one time liked to run but now likes to throw.  I see almost zero chance of RB1.  Low end RB2 at best.  Whenever he gets back.

[Pastor3]

11 minutes ago, dudewithabadcat said:

let's play a game.....name a better stash at the moment? 

 

[dudewithabadcat]

Just now, JE7HorseGod said:

Williams is just a much more dynamic athlete.  If I'm hopeful for someone recovering from an ACL it is someone who has the unique athletic tools to succeed.

Gus is going to be a JAG in a timeshare in an offense that at one time liked to run but now likes to throw.  I see almost zero chance of RB1.  Low end RB2 at best.  Whenever he gets back.

Arguably, the Ravens are throwing because they can't run.  I'd find it hard to believe that in the era of slimmer, faster, and longer DBs that offensive coordinators are abandoning tradition of ground-and-pound for airing the ball out.  I just don't see it. 

Williams is a different athlete.  I'd call Gus a dynamic athlete too.  Large, has slick moves, great agility, good acceleration, and good top end speed....

[Big Tuna]

Shhh - love the Gus stash.  He is off most owners radar.  He has the trust of the HC and is great for the system. Not expecting a true contribution until second half of season but think he will be a solid RB#3 with RB#2 upside - thats rare for the WW.  

[JE7HorseGod]

1 minute ago, dudewithabadcat said:

Arguably, the Ravens are throwing because they can't run.  I'd find it hard to believe that in the era of slimmer, faster, and longer DBs that offensive coordinators are abandoning tradition of ground-and-pound for airing the ball out.  I just don't see it. 

Williams is a different athlete.  I'd call Gus a dynamic athlete too.  Large, has slick moves, great agility, good acceleration, and good top end speed....

You'd argue that but it would be kind of a crazy argument.  They're scoring 33 points a game, it's obviously working.

Even back in the glory days Gus wasn't an RB1.  You are way up in some kind of pro Gus echo chamber.

[owenmills]

23 minutes ago, dudewithabadcat said:

let's play a game.....name a better stash at the moment? 

If I'm stashing RBs, I want to roster RBs who will step into the main role and get volume if their number is called. Even if Gus gets back on the field and looks good, and JK gets hurt, is Gus even guaranteed to get that? Still would lose carries to Lamar and probably Justice Hill. Nothing worse than stashing a RB for a big chunk of the season and then when the injury ahead of him happens he doesn't even amount to ****.

It doesn't matter who is available on the wire in my league, but if you want a name I'd definitely roster someone like Perine over him, who is a direct backup and in line to inherit all the volume.

[JE7HorseGod]

Just now, owenmills said:

If I'm stashing RBs, I want to roster RBs who will step into the main role and get volume if their number is called. Even if Gus gets back on the field and looks good, and JK gets hurt, is Gus even guaranteed to get that? Still would lose carries to Lamar and probably Justice Hill. Nothing worse than stashing a RB for a big chunk of the season and then when the injury ahead of him happens he doesn't even amount to ****.

It doesn't matter who is available on the wire in my league, but if you want a name I'd definitely roster someone like Perine over him, who is a direct backup and in line to inherit all the volume.

Exactly.

I think what you're looking at here is something like Zach Moss.  There's a clearly defined role, and probably some stability, but if you want to pursue league winners you probably want someone who would clearly get a ton of volume on an offense that is having less success throwing it.

[dudewithabadcat]

24 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

You'd argue that but it would be kind of a crazy argument.  They're scoring 33 points a game, it's obviously working.

Even back in the glory days Gus wasn't an RB1.  You are way up in some kind of pro Gus echo chamber.

He was trending up.  Last year was his breakout year, again...my two cents.  

[dudewithabadcat]

15 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

Exactly.

I think what you're looking at here is something like Zach Moss.  There's a clearly defined role, and probably some stability, but if you want to pursue league winners you probably want someone who would clearly get a ton of volume on an offense that is having less success throwing it.

Yet, there is nothing out there that has any upside.  Been scouring. 

[JE7HorseGod]

Just now, dudewithabadcat said:

He was trending up.  Last year was his breakout year, again...my two cents.  

Two years ago, I guess you are meaning?

He wasn't on the field more than about 40% of the time most of those games.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EdwaGu00/gamelog/2020/

Or are you saying he could have been a contender if not for the ACL tear?  Because I think that may have been Dobbins first.  He's also back sooner.

In any event I don't think there's enough meat on the bone here to hope for much of a Renassaince this year.  Basically you'd have to have everything revert back to exactly how it was in 2020 (not happening, again, 33 points per game), and also for him to have a much smoother instantanous recovery from an ACL than most athletes have (which is pretty dubious given that he's already had setbacks).

There was a time I was excited about Gus back when the possibility that he would get there before Dobbins and that the 2019 Ravens were coming back, but it doesn't look like either is coming to fruition to me.

[dudewithabadcat]

10 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

Two years ago, I guess you are meaning?

He wasn't on the field more than about 40% of the time most of those games.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EdwaGu00/gamelog/2020/

Or are you saying he could have been a contender if not for the ACL tear?  Because I think that may have been Dobbins first.  He's also back sooner.

In any event I don't think there's enough meat on the bone here to hope for much of a Renassaince this year.  Basically you'd have to have everything revert back to exactly how it was in 2020 (not happening, again, 33 points per game), and also for him to have a much smoother instantanous recovery from an ACL than most athletes have (which is pretty dubious given that he's already had setbacks).

There was a time I was excited about Gus back when the possibility that he would get there before Dobbins and that the 2019 Ravens were coming back, but it doesn't look like either is coming to fruition to me.

We shall see...

...fact is...options out there are slim to none.  Next best RB stash is Ty Montgomery......these are competitive leagues though....not sure what others are seeing from their league