affliction Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Didn’t see a new thread on him. I think he is undervalued currently, pretty interestingly cherry picked stats. Fields is going to pepper him with targets. https://twitter.com/joshdeluca4/status/1539663485470068736?s=21&t=nXyP9sPwY2wqdioeYMgeGQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianM Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Gonna embed what you linked to- I'm really curious on the forum's opinion here. The one thing I'm feeling good about is a new coach. I know they're really short on talent but if this new coach is even a moderate tick better at maximizing Fields than Nagy was, then Mooney is just gonna thrive. Obviously Mooney's going to be looked down upon in Chicago, but perhaps the price is just right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudewijn Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 3 hours ago, BrianM said: Gonna embed what you linked to- I'm really curious on the forum's opinion here. The one thing I'm feeling good about is a new coach. I know they're really short on talent but if this new coach is even a moderate tick better at maximizing Fields than Nagy was, then Mooney is just gonna thrive. Obviously Mooney's going to be looked down upon in Chicago, but perhaps the price is just right? So let's break down those stats: • Mooney had more targets than Ja’Marr Chase in 2021 - Mooney got 140 targets but had a pretty bad catch rate at 57.9%. He got 81 rec and turned those into 1055/5. - Chase got 128 targets for the same number of receptions, and turned that into 1455/13. So this is a fancy way to say: Chase was a lot better. • Mooney had more yards per reception than Tyreek Hill in 2021 - Mooney had 13 y/r - Hill had 11.2 y/r - which was a down year for him, in prevous years he had 14.7, 14.8 and in 2018 it was even 17.0 So this is a fancy way to say: Hill is getting old. • Mooney had more receiving yards than Mike Evans in 2021 - Mooney had 1055 yards from 140 targets - Evans had 1035 yards from 114 targets (and a higher y/r btw) - and turned those into 14 TD. So this is a fancy way of saying: Evans was more productive. I mean... holy fork, this is not cherry picking, this is downright misleading. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenmills Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 The bad catch rate is probably due to having a bad QB and perhaps running alot of deep routes. I'd certainly say Chase is better at this point but Mooney could be really good too. Evans has a really good QB too, not surprised he was far more productive with his targets. My takeaway from this is there should be big volume for Mooney to do some damage in fantasy. Not sure I see a 'monster' season with Fields still throwing to him though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudewijn Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, owenmills said: My takeaway from this is there should be big volume for Mooney to do some damage in fantasy. Not sure I see a 'monster' season with Fields still throwing to him though Sure, especially that second part - I don't think Fields did him any favors. Also Mooney is only 24, so definitely he can grow further, and I wish him all the best. I just don't like these kind of twitter posts which are essentially clickbait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE7HorseGod Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 When Mooney was with Andy Dalton I heard a lot of "look at the ADot! He's good, it's just Dalton sucks." Personally, I still like Justin Fields (it may just be me and his mom at this point, I concede), I just feel like with Mooney we tend to look at advanced metrics and forgive him entirely and put all the blame on the quarterback when some of the fault may lay with him as a guy who just struggles to catch the ball. He's not insanely expensive given that Robinson is no longer in town but I am not 100% sold, I suppose if the other guys I like in that range are gone I could take a dive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
affliction Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 11:22 PM, BrianM said: Gonna embed what you linked to- I'm really curious on the forum's opinion here. The one thing I'm feeling good about is a new coach. I know they're really short on talent but if this new coach is even a moderate tick better at maximizing Fields than Nagy was, then Mooney is just gonna thrive. Obviously Mooney's going to be looked down upon in Chicago, but perhaps the price is just right? Thanks was trying to figure out how to do this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
affliction Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 3:26 AM, Boudewijn said: So let's break down those stats: • Mooney had more targets than Ja’Marr Chase in 2021 - Mooney got 140 targets but had a pretty bad catch rate at 57.9%. He got 81 rec and turned those into 1055/5. - Chase got 128 targets for the same number of receptions, and turned that into 1455/13. So this is a fancy way to say: Chase was a lot better. • Mooney had more yards per reception than Tyreek Hill in 2021 - Mooney had 13 y/r - Hill had 11.2 y/r - which was a down year for him, in prevous years he had 14.7, 14.8 and in 2018 it was even 17.0 So this is a fancy way to say: Hill is getting old. • Mooney had more receiving yards than Mike Evans in 2021 - Mooney had 1055 yards from 140 targets - Evans had 1035 yards from 114 targets (and a higher y/r btw) - and turned those into 14 TD. So this is a fancy way of saying: Evans was more productive. I mean... holy fork, this is not cherry picking, this is downright misleading. This is why I tend to stay off twitter thanks for the fact check lol. Still like him as a WR2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFCollusion Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 12:26 AM, Boudewijn said: So let's break down those stats: I agree with everything you've said, that was my initial reaction as well... But then I realized, what's that prove? I don't care how many targets Chase got... 140 is a solid number. In fact it's 11th in the league. I don't care how old Tyreek Hill is or isn't, 13 yards per reception is a solid number. Cooper Kupp had 13.4 last year, #1 WR in the league. I don't care how many yards Evans got, 1,000 is the baseline we use. 17th most in the league. So... 11th in targets, 17th in yards, finished 23rd overall. He's currently WR29. But the bad news... With Dalton, Mooney averaged 11.1 targets, 6.5 receptions, 82 yards a game. (16.7 fantasy points) With Fields, Mooney averaged 6.6 targets, 3.8 receptions, 51 yards a game. (10.8 fantasy points) Despite playing only 6 games with Dalton, and 11 with Fields, Mooney caught equally 2 TDs from each of them. Initially I was very interested in Mooney, but there are multiple players after him on the draft board I like more. Unless Fields takes a big step forward, Mooney, and his owners, might be in for a long year. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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affliction Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 11 hours ago, TTo34 said: That’s brutal. Rams game was Dalton. Bucs game was Fields when he threw 3 picks. I’m banking on Justin being improved in the new offense and the first year under his belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianM Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, affliction said: That’s brutal. Rams game was Dalton. Bucs game was Fields when he threw 3 picks. I’m banking on Justin being improved in the new offense and the first year under his belt. I think that Rams highlight was from 2020.....I recall seeing that vid last summer and it was one of my things that made me chase Mooney harder. "Wow Trubisky/Foles were bad, but now he's got Fields! Even Dalton is better!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraftyRighty Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) Lets Go! Edited August 10, 2022 by CraftyRighty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MingusDew Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I have no statistics but I don't think there's one player I've seen be missed open more times in the past 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonej14 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, MingusDew said: I have no statistics but I don't think there's one player I've seen be missed open more times in the past 2 seasons. Watching him completely burn jalen ramsay as a rookie was all I needed to see.. too bad he was overthrown by 7 yards.. apparently he’s been tearing training camp up and clearly fields best and favorite target and the connection is “the real deal” this is one of the rare occasions I’d want a WR in a bad offense because he could likely see 33% of the targets 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyaltothegame Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I hope to see some of the players in his price range show out in preseason to suppress his adp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangry Bird Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Mooney is fool's gold with an inflated ADP because of all the armchair football pundits. He is a WR3 at best. Do not draft boys the Bears are going to be a train wreck this year. Fields = Mitch Trubs 2.0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Hangry Bird said: Mooney is fool's gold with an inflated ADP because of all the armchair football pundits. He is a WR3 at best. Do not draft boys the Bears are going to be a train wreck this year. Fields = Mitch Trubs 2.0 Elite speed combined with a top 10 target share and a new OC catering to player strengths … with the ADP of a WR3 Bears will be in garbage time all year meaning this guy will be force fed targets … a guy who grades as 1 of the top 10 WRs in both target share and target separation rate (meaning, he gets open - a lot) Yeah let’s avoid that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort4242 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 20 hours ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: Elite speed combined with a top 10 target share and a new OC catering to player strengths … with the ADP of a WR3 Bears will be in garbage time all year meaning this guy will be force fed targets … a guy who grades as 1 of the top 10 WRs in both target share and target separation rate (meaning, he gets open - a lot) Yeah let’s avoid that. I was about to say Mooney is one of my favorite targets this year. Young ascending talent who already got 160 targets last year. While A-Rob was a shell of his former self, the competition for targets has gotten lesser this season and I think Mooney is in line for another 160+ targets again this season. Yes, the Bears' offense will most likely be terrible. Yes, Justin Fields still has a lot to prove and very well may be terrible. But any player getting 160+ targets is someone I want on my team. Talent + Opportunity = Fantasy Success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Fort4242 said: I was about to say Mooney is one of my favorite targets this year. Young ascending talent who already got 160 targets last year. While A-Rob was a shell of his former self, the competition for targets has gotten lesser this season and I think Mooney is in line for another 160+ targets again this season. Yes, the Bears' offense will most likely be terrible. Yes, Justin Fields still has a lot to prove and very well may be terrible. But any player getting 160+ targets is someone I want on my team. Talent + Opportunity = Fantasy Success Top 10 in target share Top 10 in yards per game w/o Allen Robinson Top 10 in route running/separation rate Elite speed, elite target share, elite ability to get open … and top 10-20 among WRs in various other metrics In PPR leagues there aren’t 15 WRs I consider significantly better options. I see no reason he can’t produce on par with McLaurin / Diontae Johnson / DJ Moore types 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonej14 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: Top 10 in target share Top 10 in yards per game w/o Allen Robinson Top 10 in route running/separation rate Elite speed, elite target share, elite ability to get open … and top 10-20 among WRs in various other metrics In PPR leagues there aren’t 15 WRs I consider significantly better options. I see no reason he can’t produce on par with McLaurin / Diontae Johnson / DJ Moore types And being drafted around WR28.. sounds like a perfect place to take a high upside gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allrise24 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 And the cherry on top is that Vegas has set mooneys over under yards at 950 which is easily the biggest discrepancy relative to ADP. Brandon cooks is also at 950, similar tiered WRs like Bateman jeudy and st brown are all lower. I will be reaching for Mooney at the 5/6 turn every single time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynfinest42 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 So would anyone take Mooney over say guys like Gabe Davis, Ju Ju, Bateman or Jeudy in that round 5/6 range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVFalcon Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, brooklynfinest42 said: So would anyone take Mooney over say guys like Gabe Davis, Ju Ju, Bateman or Jeudy in that round 5/6 range? I would probably take all those guys over him except Bateman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonej14 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, brooklynfinest42 said: So would anyone take Mooney over say guys like Gabe Davis, Ju Ju, Bateman or Jeudy in that round 5/6 range? I’d take davis, and jeudy, over him.. a few weeks ago I might have said juju too but I’m fading him bad now. bateman is tricky theyre neck and neck to me.. I think he’s great, better QB, probably gonna get less targets tho.. andrews to compete with, LJ will likely throw more TDS tho.. 1) davis 2) jeudy 3) mooney 4) Bateman 5) juju 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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