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1 hour ago, JE7HorseGod said:

I could be gatekeeping here a bit.  This is just my opinion and that and a buck 80 will buy me a cup of coffee. 

But the truth is, I am interested in some detailed analysis with the aid of some film of how a team's offensive line should plan to handle a defensive line with a skilled defensive tackle that uses a lot of exotic stunts and I totally wouldn't mind if you took all that other cr@p away. 

I want sports related discourse to rise to that level a little more frequently and not force us nerds into the lowest common denominator quite so much.  Not all the time, I know that's not reasonable.  But maybe like, 10% more often.

Oddly enough that was one of the things I liked about Romo when he first started commentating. He had the knowledge to explain what the teams were actually doing and why. But now it sounds like he's had about 8 Red Bull drinks before broadcast and he's just all excitement and hype. 

 

The best place in-game to get that is the Manning-cast for MNF. They actually break things down in real-time and it's one of the best ways to watch MNF. 

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2 minutes ago, bwarbiany said:

Oddly enough that was one of the things I liked about Romo when he first started commentating. He had the knowledge to explain what the teams were actually doing and why. But now it sounds like he's had about 8 Red Bull drinks before broadcast and he's just all excitement and hype. 

 

The best place in-game to get that is the Manning-cast for MNF. They actually break things down in real-time and it's one of the best ways to watch MNF. 

I feel like it's happened a few times, guys get hailed for the acumen and actually raise the level of conversation and people love it, and then some hack gives them notes that they need to be "more relatable" and they dumb it down.

At one point John Madden was really insightful...

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44 minutes ago, Illusion_J said:

I was watching Sportscenter at the gym this morning, they spent as much time on Justin Jefferson's pre-game t-shirt as showing his actual highlights and he had a great game.  DO NOT CARE about what players wear, what they tweet, or what their political leanings are.  Just show the game / highlights.

ESPN is owned by Disney so good luck with all that

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The ones that get me...

 

"Be multiple": Everyone wants to talk about an offense or a defense that wants to be multiple. Last time I checked, being multiple was a serious psychological condition, and it ruins lives. Even worse is when they use that to justify teams that line up in 17 different formations. No, what teams WANT to do is line up in as few formations as possible while being able to run multiple successful concepts, both run and pass, out of that same formation so the defense doesn't know what is coming. 

 

"Complimentary football": Marcus Spears was trying to define this in relation to the Patriots. It's your offense sustaining drives long enough and avoiding turnovers such that even if they don't score, they're letting the defense rest and not gifting the opposing team with short fields to put pressure on the defense. And it's the defense generating turnovers, stopping the opposing offense's drives, and not being a sieve such that the offense consistently has the pressure of needing to score 40 to win the game. I don't know how this suddenly became complimentary football. That's literally just good football. If your offense and defense don't suck, or shoot themselves in the foot with mistakes, you're usually a good football team, and sustaining drives / not turning the ball over on offense, and stopping drives / forcing turnovers on defense is not "complimentary", it's just good football. 

 

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5 minutes ago, bwarbiany said:

"Complimentary football": Marcus Spears was trying to define this in relation to the Patriots. It's your offense sustaining drives long enough and avoiding turnovers such that even if they don't score, they're letting the defense rest and not gifting the opposing team with short fields to put pressure on the defense. And it's the defense generating turnovers, stopping the opposing offense's drives, and not being a sieve such that the offense consistently has the pressure of needing to score 40 to win the game. I don't know how this suddenly became complimentary football. That's literally just good football. If your offense and defense don't suck, or shoot themselves in the foot with mistakes, you're usually a good football team, and sustaining drives / not turning the ball over on offense, and stopping drives / forcing turnovers on defense is not "complimentary", it's just good football. 

 

Oh man you are right I have seen this creep into the lexicon, as though we literally JUST DISCOVERED the idea that TOP helps the defense.

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18 minutes ago, bwarbiany said:

Oddly enough that was one of the things I liked about Romo when he first started commentating. He had the knowledge to explain what the teams were actually doing and why. But now it sounds like he's had about 8 Red Bull drinks before broadcast and he's just all excitement and hype. 

 

The best place in-game to get that is the Manning-cast for MNF. They actually break things down in real-time and it's one of the best ways to watch MNF. 

The real bull **** is that Romo actually got told to dial back the analysis. He had an interview where he said he wasn't supposed to do the pre snap reads and stuff like that.

 

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43 minutes ago, meh2 said:

Your post reminded me of the classic John Oliver skit from several years ago so I had to go back and rewatch it. Still one of the funniest….

 

good stuff 😁

but my arse would never grind against that machine like the schlubs do. 

it's a circus. 

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23 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

The real bull **** is that Romo actually got told to dial back the analysis. He had an interview where he said he wasn't supposed to do the pre snap reads and stuff like that.

 

... perhaps The Shield didn't want the great unwashed to know that defenses really aren't that complicated to read, and that the real reason for such shoddy overall play is ... incompetence. 

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What’s not talked about enough is how un-affordable it is to go to an NFL game.

-Nosebleeds: $50

-Soda/Beer: $5/$10 each

-A god damn pretzel with cheese: $15

-Parking within a mile: $25

-Oh, you want water: $5

Gotta either be rich or make it a yearly gift to attend a game nowadays.

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54 minutes ago, bluntbros said:

What’s not talked about enough is how un-affordable it is to go to an NFL game.

-Nosebleeds: $50

-Soda/Beer: $5/$10 each

-A god damn pretzel with cheese: $15

-Parking within a mile: $25

-Oh, you want water: $5

Gotta either be rich or make it a yearly gift to attend a game nowadays.

I went to a couple baseball games over the summer and the parking/concessions cost is the same or worse. Beers were like $14. Ticket prices for football are higher, no doubt, because of lower supply(games) than other sports. Although hockey and basketball ain't cheap either

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For somewhat decent analysis, random YouTube channels seem to be where to go. I'm watching the ESPN Monday night countdown coverage now. It's beyond awful. A bunch of yelling former players speaking in jive and jargon about how some guy got hit hard or schooled on a catch   Usually there's a player interview they have to introduce with a bunch of nauseating mumble rap montages before the player starts talking. After every question, that music and montage will be cranked up for a few seconds.  I don't get the obsession with montages in sports shows. 

...as im talking there's a montage filled interview with Godwin and Evans. No mumble rap for now. 

 

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Just now, trilly said:

I hate the overproduction of SNF and MNF, it's so over the top and unnecessary these days but as with other elements people have discussed, it's about trying to appeal to the masses.

see, i disagree about "the masses" ... it's quite the opposite - they are catering to a select demographic that is much less, numbers wise, than "the masses"

see, the regular folks who just wanna sit back and watch a professional tackle foosball game are THE MASSES ... but they are relentlessly beat over the effin' head with the over production, the bombast, the pandering ... oh, no ... that is not catered to "the masses" ... that's catered to the asses. 

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1 minute ago, Pastor3 said:

see, i disagree about "the masses" ... it's quite the opposite - they are catering to a select demographic that is much less, numbers wise, than "the masses"

see, the regular folks who just wanna sit back and watch a professional tackle foosball game are THE MASSES ... but they are relentlessly beat over the effin' head with the over production, the bombast, the pandering ... oh, no ... that is not catered to "the masses" ... that's catered to the asses. 

Why talk about upcoming divisional matchups when you can have a segment called c'mon man?

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5 hours ago, bwarbiany said:

Oddly enough that was one of the things I liked about Romo when he first started commentating. He had the knowledge to explain what the teams were actually doing and why. But now it sounds like he's had about 8 Red Bull drinks before broadcast and he's just all excitement and hype. 

 

The best place in-game to get that is the Manning-cast for MNF. They actually break things down in real-time and it's one of the best ways to watch MNF. 

An experience mostly ruined by the guests they bring on unfortunately. 

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1 minute ago, Hacksawjimduggan said:

I just watched booger throw moss a TD pass with someone spam yelling LOOK AT THAT COAT BABY. LOOK AT IT. 

 

MNF mentally trains my brain for a Super Bowl party where I watch football all year and end up in a room with people who are asking me who the red guys are.

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1 minute ago, Hacksawjimduggan said:

I just watched booger throw moss a TD pass with someone spam yelling LOOK AT THAT COAT BABY. LOOK AT IT. 

This was immediately followed by a montage. 

did you miss where Booger called him a Pimp?

oh, yeah ... TOTALLY geared to "the masses"

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1 hour ago, bluntbros said:

What’s not talked about enough is how un-affordable it is to go to an NFL game.

-Nosebleeds: $50

-Soda/Beer: $5/$10 each

-A god damn pretzel with cheese: $15

-Parking within a mile: $25

-Oh, you want water: $5

Gotta either be rich or make it a yearly gift to attend a game nowadays.

I’ll never understand someone paying for food or beverages at a game. It’s like a 3 hour event eat before and pregame if you want. Then go get food after.

As for parking, I’ve never paid for parking. Don’t know about other cities but street parking isn’t too difficult in Seattle if you are willing to walk a bit and actually look. 

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3 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

I’ll never understand someone paying for food or beverages at a game. It’s like a 3 hour event eat before and pregame if you want. Then go get food after.

As for parking, I’ve never paid for parking. Don’t know about other cities but street parking isn’t too difficult in Seattle if you are willing to walk a bit and actually look. 

Obviously don’t have kids 😆 good luck going to a game and not buying anything when you do 

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16 minutes ago, Hacksawjimduggan said:

An experience mostly ruined by the guests they bring on unfortunately. 

I can't wait until Eli and Peyton talk to Kevin Hart and condoleeza rice tonight.

Over/under on Kevin Hart making fun of the height and weight disparity between him and some random player?

Hell probably refer to Tom Brady as Tom. 

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