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2 hours ago, El_Chingon said:

Not sure what there is to dislike, Rubio gives their lineup much more versatility.  As a combo guard De'Angelo can play PG and also play off the ball with Rubio, so they can stagger their minutes at PG with Edwards who is a pure SG.  Beasley is limited to a microwave scorer off the bench.


Its simple, they have holes at SF and PF. Why trade for players who they have starters already at same position? Better to trade for a good SF or PF that can get them 33 mins a game instead of a PG who is clearly a starter, but will be forced into a 15-22 min role off the bench most nights. It's always better to build out the starting lineup before the bench, especially when they have major weaknesses there.

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1 hour ago, jay_00 said:


Its simple, they have holes at SF and PF. Why trade for players who they have starters already at same position? Better to trade for a good SF or PF that can get them 33 mins a game instead of a PG who is clearly a starter, but will be forced into a 15-22 min role off the bench most nights. It's always better to build out the starting lineup before the bench, especially when they have major weaknesses there.

I answered this concern in my post you quoted but apparently I didn't do a very good job of explaining. I think rubio will play more than 15-22 minutes because they can stagger his PG minutes with DeAngelo and play them together also.   DeAngelo is a combo guard so he can play SG a few minutes alongside rubio.

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3 hours ago, jay_00 said:


Its simple, they have holes at SF and PF. Why trade for players who they have starters already at same position? Better to trade for a good SF or PF that can get them 33 mins a game instead of a PG who is clearly a starter, but will be forced into a 15-22 min role off the bench most nights. It's always better to build out the starting lineup before the bench, especially when they have major weaknesses there.

Wolves also drafted Aleksej Pokusveski, who is as "high risk, high reward" as it gets.  And dude is 7 footer that can play both forward position.

If he can get stronger he can be special

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24 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

Wolves also drafted Aleksej Pokusveski, who is as "high risk, high reward" as it gets.  And dude is 7 footer that can play both forward position.

If he can get stronger he can be special

Ignore me, I need coffee.  OKC got Aleksej and Wolves are getting close to the Kings teritory

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3 hours ago, El_Chingon said:

I answered this concern in my post you quoted but apparently I didn't do a very good job of explaining. I think rubio will play more than 15-22 minutes because they can stagger his PG minutes with DeAngelo and play them together also.   DeAngelo is a combo guard so he can play SG a few minutes alongside rubio.


Ok even if you play Rubio more mins then Edwards will be stuck with 15-22 mins. There's 4 guards that are clear starters and only 2 guard spots. Someone will be stuck with 15-22 mins no matter what unless they go really small and start 3 guards. It would have been a whole smarter to trade for a SF that can give you 33 mins a night, that way the other 3 guards will have an easy path to 30 mins a night.

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Atlanta's pick is interesting. Onyeka Okongwu might end up being a solid player. But, it seems like an odd pick when they already have Collins and Capela in the frontcourt. I wouldn't expect them to add a PF with a lottery pick unless they are looking to move on from John Collins who is reportedly looking for a max contract.

 

 

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On 11/19/2020 at 5:23 PM, mbroo5880i said:

Atlanta's pick is interesting. Onyeka Okongwu might end up being a solid player. But, it seems like an odd pick when they already have Collins and Capela in the frontcourt. I wouldn't expect them to add a PF with a lottery pick unless they are looking to move on from John Collins who is reportedly looking for a max contract.

 

 

I think they just took BPA. OO has a poor man's Bam ceiling, which could make him the best player in the draft when the dust settles.

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I just posted my predictions for the players drafted in the second round of this year's draft + Chuma Okeke and Dylan Windler. Obviously some things might change before the season starts.

 

2019: Magic Chuma Okeke - 14.0 mpg, 2.6 rpg, 0.7 apg, 4.6 ppg
2019: Cavaliers Dylan Windler - 16.0 mpg, 4.2 rpg, 1.0 apg, 8.2 ppg

60. Sam Merrill - 4.0 mpg, 0.4 rpg, 0.4 apg, 1.8 ppg
59. Jalen Harris - 6.0 mpg, 0.9 rpg, 0.6 apg, 3.2 ppg
58. Paul Reed - 6.0 mpg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg, 2.3 ppg
57. Reggie Perry - 6.0 mpg, 1.6 rpg, 0.4 apg, 2.7 ppg
56. Grant Riller - 7.0 mpg, 0.9 rpg, 0.7 apg, 3.7 ppg
55. Jay Scrubb - 8.0 mpg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg, 4.3 ppg
54. Cassius Stanley - 8.0 mpg, 1.1 rpg, 0.2 apg, 2.9 ppg
53. Cassius Winston - 8.0 mpg, 0.5 rpg, 1.2 apg, 3.6 ppg
52. Kenyon Martin Jr - 5.0 mpg, 1.2 rpg, 0.1 apg, 2.0 ppg
51. Justinian Jessup - 4.0 mpg, 0.4 rpg, 0.2 apg, 1.4 ppg
50. Skylar Mays - 6.0 mpg, 0.7 rpg, 0.4 apg, 2.3 ppg
49. Isaiah Joe - 6.0 mpg, 0.5 rpg, 0.2 apg, 2.2 ppg
48. Nico Mannion - 8.0 mpg, 0.5 rpg, 1.1 apg, 2.8 ppg
47. Yam Madar - Stash          
46. CJ Elleby - 6.0 mpg, 1.1 rpg, 0.3 apg, 2.6 ppg
45. Jordan Nwora - 12.0 mpg, 2.2 rpg, 0.4 apg, 5.2 ppg
44. Marko Simonovic - Stash          
43. Jahmi’us Ramsey - 12.0 mpg, 1.2 rpg, 0.7 apg, 4.6 ppg
42. Nick Richards - 6.0 mpg, 1.3 rpg, 0.0 apg, 2.3 ppg
41. Tre Jones - 8.0 mpg, 0.8 rpg, 1.2 apg, 2.9 ppg
40. Robert Woodard - 8.0 mpg, 1.3 rpg, 0.3 apg, 2.2 ppg
39. Elijah Hughes - 8.0 mpg, 0.9 rpg, 0.6 apg, 3.3 ppg
38. Saben Lee - 4.0 mpg, 0.3 rpg, 0.4 apg, 1.8 ppg
37. Vit Krejci - Stash          
36. Tyler Bey - 14.0 mpg, 3.5 rpg, 0.6 apg, 5.3 ppg
35. Xavier Tillman Sr - 10.0 mpg, 2.6 rpg, 0.7 apg, 3.4 ppg
34. Theo Maledon - 16.0 mpg, 1.3 rpg, 2.2 apg, 5.4 ppg
33. Daniel Oturu - 8.0 mpg, 2.1 rpg, 0.2 apg, 3.8 ppg
32. Vernon Carey - 18.0 mpg, 5.1 rpg, 0.6 apg, 10.3 ppg
31. Tyrell Terry - 12.0 mpg, 1.3 rpg, 0.9 apg, 4.3 ppg

 

More complete statistical predictions and extended thoughts can be found here: https://perkinsfor3.wordpress.com/2020/11/25/rookies-fantasy-2020-2021-pt-1-second-round-picks/

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Every year people reach and overdraft rookies. Meanwhile, they very seldom present much fantasy value in redraft leagues. I’ve taken a look at the actual value for rookies in fantasy a few years ago.

This year, the draft is much more difficult to evaluate due to a shortened season, less information from workouts and an overall weaker class. This means that I don’t expect any rookie to enter the top 30 this year, and most rookies aren’t ‘rosterable‘ in regular leagues either.

What I do believe, is that we’ll see a lot of really decent roleplayers come out of this draft, and they’ll probably be a bit more spread out throughout the draft than you’d see normally.

You can find my predictions for the second round picks here:
– Rookies & Fantasy 2020-2021 pt.1: Second Round picks: https://perkinsfor3.wordpress.com/2020/11/25/rookies-fantasy-2020-2021-pt-1-second-round-picks/

Without further ado, here’s my overview for picks 30-23:

30. Desmond Bane: – Even though Bane has the loathed T-Rex arms and doesn’t possess great speed, I like his BBall IQ and he’s an elite shooter. He is a smart defender as well, which alleviates some of the worries around his physical tools. Memphis seems like a fine landing spot for him, which will allow him to play to his strengths.
Predicted stats: 15 mpg, 45.6 fg%, 1.3 3pm, 78.0 ft%, 2.5 rpg, 1.6 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.2 bpg, 1.4 topg, 6.6 ppg

29. Malachi Flynn: – The Raptors picked one of the best pick and roll passers in the draft. It makes so much sense for them to jump on Flynn here, even though some felt it was a bit early. I think his ballhandling is somewhat limited right now, which makes him predictable. He’s a decent defender but gets his hands on a lot of balls due to good reads.
Predicted stats: 8 mpg, 44.6 fg%, 0.5 3pm, 86.0 ft%, 0.9 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.0 bpg, 0.5 topg, 3.4 ppg

28. Jaden McDaniels: – He’s got all the tools and skills you’d like to see, but man, he needs some work. He’s not very good at basketball. Right now. But the upside, even more so than with his brother, Jalen, is there. I think him getting proper NBA development could make a huge difference for him.
Predicted stats: 12 mpg, 40.7 fg%, 0.5 3pm, 76.0 ft%, 2.1 rpg, 0.6 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.5 bpg, 1.4 topg, 4.4 ppg

27. Udoka Azubuike: – As someone said, Udoka is a ‘very large man’. He’ll need to come off pick & rolls and get work done on the boards in the NBA in order to carve out a role, as he’s quite limited otherwise. The contracts similar big men, or even those with more range (Dedmon) have been getting this summer doesn’t bode well for this type of player, though.
Predicted stats: 8 mpg, 59.4 fg%, 0.0 3pm, 48.0 ft%, 2.4 rpg, 0.2 apg, 0.1 spg, 0.6 bpg, 0.9 topg, 3.2 ppg

26. Payton Pritchard: – Didn’t expect him to go in the first, even though he got some hype. I guess Ainge recognizes something of himself in Pritchard. I love Ducks in the NBA, so I’m not betting against him. He’s, as they often say with this type of player, pesky, and he’s a great long range shooter. He’s small, but works hard and doesn’t back down. All the cliches go here. What I don’t like is his decision-making with the ball in his hands.
Predicted stats: 12 mpg, 46.0 fg%, 0.7 3pm, 82.0 ft%, 1.1 rpg, 1.4 apg, 0.4 spg, 0.0 bpg, 1.2 topg, 5.4 ppg

25. Immanuel Quickley: – Thoughst on site
Predicted stats: 13 mpg, 41.8 fg%, 0.7 3pm, 90.1 ft%, 1.3 rpg, 0.9 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.0 bpg, 0.8 topg, 5.1 ppg

24. RJ Hampton: – Thoughst on site
Predicted stats: 10 mpg, 40.2 fg%, 1.0 3pm, 68.6 ft%, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg, 0.4 spg, 0.1 bpg, 0.9 topg, 3.4 ppg
23. Leandro Bolmaro: – Thoughst on site
Predicted stats: Stash

Rest of the 22-15 picks + descriptions are here: https://perkinsfor3.wordpress.com/2020/11/26/rookies-fantasy-2020-2021-pt-2-picks-30-15/

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Sigh. The 2020 NBA Draft lottery. I don’t remember a lot of drafts where I’ve been less excited about the players. The most fun part was actually seeing how close my predictions would be, and watching the top teams trying to trade the hell out of the top 3.

My favorite players in this draft were guys I had mocked in the 7-13 range, but event hose went all over the place.

14. Aaron Nesmith: - Extreme role player. Needed to land in a environment where people would take the decision making out of Aaron's hands, and let him run screens. He's limited as a driver (poor ballhandling) and finishing at the rim, so you want to play him off the ball as much as possiblr. Boston was looking for such a player (Edwards needs to fear for his minutes) and jumped on a chance to draft Nesmith, which many felt could've been a bit early, in the lottery. As such, I also don't believe Nesmith will become a very valuable fantasy player.
Predicted stats: 16.00 mpg, 47.4% fg%, 1.5 3pm, 82.2% ft%, 1.8 rpg, 0.3 apg, 0.5 spg, 0.3 bpg, 0.9 topg, 8.2 ppg

13. Kira Lewis Jr.: - Fastest player in the draft, and probably one of the fastest guys in the NBA right off the bat. NO is a great landing spot for him, even though the backcourt is a bit crowded. He should be able to play next to Lonzo Ball quite well, and my expectation is that they're going to run, a lot. Kira should also love playing with Zion and Adams setting screens. He's still very young, even though he's a sophomore coming out of college, and has upside. My prediction is that the Pelicans will find a taker for Bledsoe during the season, which will open up minutes for him. He'll need a few years to get up to speed, though
Predicted stats:  18.00 mpg, 45.5% fg%, 0.7 3pm, 81.0% ft%, 1.8 rpg, 2.0 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.0 topg, 7.4 ppg

12. Tyrese Haliburton: - Maybe, pretty sure, my favorite guard in the draft. Eddie Jones' cousin, and I noticed some flashes of his game in college. I think Haliburton could end up being the best player in this class (not fantasy wise, perse). His college steals numbers were somewhat inflated, but he gets his hands on quite a few balls. Tyrese and Kira were the only guards to shoot at least 45% FG, 35% from 3, and 80% from the charity stripe. He's incredibly crafty and has great size and tools. He's not the best athlete or fastest player, but I think he will have no trouble finding a role in the league.
Predicted stats:  26.00 mpg, 50.5% fg%, 1.3 3pm, 85.0% ft%, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.4 bpg, 2.4 topg, 8.6 ppg

11. Devin Vassell: Predicted stats:   2.6 rpg, 0.8 apg, 6.4 ppg

10. Jalen Smith: Predicted stats: 4.3 rpg, 0.3 apg, 6.3 ppg

9. Deni Avdija: Predicted stats:  2.0 rpg, 0.9 apg, 3.1 ppg

8. Obi Toppin: Predicted stats:  5.3 rpg, 1.6 apg, 14.2 ppg

7. Killian Hayes: Predicted stats:  2.1 rpg, 4.3 apg,  11.8 ppg

6. Onyeka Okongwu: Predicted stats:  4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg, 8.5 ppg

5. Isaac Okoro: Predicted stats:   2.9 rpg, 1.3 apg, 8.5 ppg

4. Patrick Williams: Predicted stats:  2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg, 7.1 ppg

3. LaMelo Ball:Predicted stats: 5.4 rpg, 6.3 apg, 10.4 ppg

2. James Wiseman: Predicted stats: 9.1 rpg, 0.8 apg, 10.1 ppg

1. Anthony Edwards: Predicted stats:  3.8 rpg, 2.0 apg, 13.9 ppg

 

Rest of write-ups and other picks can be found here: https://perkinsfor3.wordpress.com/2020/11/28/rookies-fantasy-2020-2021-pt-3-lottery/

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5 hours ago, rob0403 said:

I know you love Tyrese but saying he is gonna be at 50% FG as a guard is kinda a reach. 

That said he will be the last rookie I would consider drafting on standardish leagues this year. Any lower on the draft I will skip.

It is, my model has him there due to him being so incredibly efficient in college as a guard, but I'd actually expect him to produce somewhat lower - 47%ish.

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People who live outside the U.S. Cannot watch it on ESPN or the watchespn for some stupid reason even if my family has a working login. So we're kind of screwed unless someone's kind enough to stream it or if NBA Draft was planning on streaming it

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1 hour ago, matthewdaniel69 said:

People who live outside the U.S. Cannot watch it on ESPN or the watchespn for some stupid reason even if my family has a working login. So we're kind of screwed unless someone's kind enough to stream it or if NBA Draft was planning on streaming it

The 2020-2021 Draft already happened. Sorry you missed it.

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