Fiveohnine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 wow tpat. Was that advice or a prayer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozark Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Can someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I can't keep up with this mumbo jumbo law lingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellent117 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tpat30 said: Thought the judge just denied the NFL's whatever it was....so this thing is going to court, probably next year. Ezekiel Elliott should be good for the 2017 season. McFadden will be the man if Elliott goes down. Judge Mazzant's denial of the motion for an emergency stay was essentially a purely procedural matter. It was necessary to get the motion appealed to the Circuit Court level. Your assertion has no basis in fact at the moment, as it's fairly unusual for a Circuit Court to even grant a hearing on an appeal of a denied motion for an emergency stay. This is not a good development for Zeke or his owners. The 5th Circuit is the most conservative in the country and not union-friendly in the slightest. I could easily see them pointing to the 2nd Circuit case law and determining that Zeke and the NFLPA are highly unlikely to succeed on the merits, thereby staying the injunction and starting Zeke's suspension immediately. . Edited September 22, 2017 by Excellent117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpat30 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Fiveohnine said: wow tpat. Was that advice or a prayer? The NFL's motion to "stay the preliminary injunction" of Ezekiel Elliott‘s six-game suspension has been denied, leaving the injunction in place as the league appeals to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. Or something. The Elliott case is getting so bogged down in legalese we're thinking about forcing one of our younger writers to go to law school. The matter appears to now be in the hands of the Fifth Circuit. A ruling is not expected any time soon, meaning Zeke will probably be available for all 16 2017 games Edited September 22, 2017 by tpat30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellent117 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 minute ago, tpat30 said: The NFL's motion to "stay the preliminary injunction" of Ezekiel Elliott‘s six-game suspension has been denied, leaving the injunction in place as the league appeals to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. Or something. The Elliott case is getting so bogged down in legalese we're thinking about forcing one of our younger writers to go to law school. The matter appears to now be in the hands of the Fifth Circuit. A ruling is not expected any time soon, meaning Zeke will probably be available for all 16 2017 games This is written by a non-lawyer who is completely unfamiliar with the judicial process. The ruling on the emergency stay will come very quickly after the hearing on the motion. The case on the merits won't be resolved any time soon, but the ruling on the injunction will not take long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohawks Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, ozark said: Can someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I can't keep up with this mumbo jumbo law lingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebull315 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, tpat30 said: The NFL's motion to "stay the preliminary injunction" of Ezekiel Elliott‘s six-game suspension has been denied, leaving the injunction in place as the league appeals to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. Or something. The Elliott case is getting so bogged down in legalese we're thinking about forcing one of our younger writers to go to law school. The matter appears to now be in the hands of the Fifth Circuit. A ruling is not expected any time soon, meaning Zeke will probably be available for all 16 2017 games And now that appeal is being heard in the next couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellent117 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, ozark said: Can someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I can't keep up with this mumbo jumbo law lingo The lowest level court said Zeke shouldn't be suspended until the entire case is heard and decided, so the judge issued what is called an injunction, which stops the NFL from making Zeke serve his suspension until the entire case is resolved. The NFL filed a motion with that court requesting that the injunction be removed, which would make Zeke's suspension start immediately. The judge, having just issued the injunction himself, denied that motion and left the injunction in place. Meaning Zeke can still play. The NFL then appealed that denial of the motion to the court above, saying that the judge was incorrect in his denial of the motion to have the injunction removed. That court will then hold a hearing where both sides (the NFL and the NFLPA) will give their arguments. After that hearing, the court will decide whether the injunction should remain in place (i.e., Zeke can keep playing until the full case is decided by the court) or whether the injunction should be removed (i.e., Zeke would start serving his suspension immediately). That hearing is going to take place on October 2nd and a decision should be made very shortly thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpat30 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, thebull315 said: And now that appeal is being heard in the next couple of weeks. I'm surprised Rotoworld hasn't updated that. How soon will a ruling take place once the appeal is heard? So looks like Zeke is good for the next 3 games and he may be suspended after the bye....? Edited September 22, 2017 by tpat30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young dude Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Anyone selling on the news? I personally listed him for Julio Jones in an offer. Edited September 22, 2017 by young dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozark Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Excellent117 said: The lowest level court said Zeke shouldn't be suspended until the entire case is heard and decided, so the judge issued what is called an injunction, which stops the NFL from making Zeke serve his suspension until the entire case is resolved. The NFL filed a motion with that court requesting that the injunction be removed, which would make Zeke's suspension start immediately. The judge, having just issued the injunction himself, denied that motion and left the injunction in place. Meaning Zeke can still play. The NFL then appealed that denial of the motion to the court above, saying that the judge was incorrect in his denial of the motion to have the injunction removed. That court will then hold a hearing where both sides (the NFL and the NFLPA) will give their arguments. After that hearing, the court will decide whether the injunction should remain in place (i.e., Zeke can keep playing until the full case is decided by the court) or whether the injunction should be removed (i.e., Zeke would start serving his suspension immediately). That hearing is going to take place on October 2nd and a decision should be made very shortly thereafter. Appreciate that! So it sounds like he'll likely serve his suspension starting that week or soon after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphonetics Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Excellent117 said: This is written by a non-lawyer who is completely unfamiliar with the judicial process. The ruling on the emergency stay will come very quickly after the hearing on the motion. The case on the merits won't be resolved any time soon, but the ruling on the injunction will not take long. The Fifth could hear oral argument on the stay as a proxy for the appeal on the injunction or do an accelerated briefing schedule after the arguments and no oral for the appeal, but still decide this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigskingpin Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Excellent117 said: The lowest level court said Zeke shouldn't be suspended until the entire case is heard and decided, so the judge issued what is called an injunction, which stops the NFL from making Zeke serve his suspension until the entire case is resolved. The NFL filed a motion with that court requesting that the injunction be removed, which would make Zeke's suspension start immediately. The judge, having just issued the injunction himself, denied that motion and left the injunction in place. Meaning Zeke can still play. The NFL then appealed that denial of the motion to the court above, saying that the judge was incorrect in his denial of the motion to have the injunction removed. That court will then hold a hearing where both sides (the NFL and the NFLPA) will give their arguments. After that hearing, the court will decide whether the injunction should remain in place (i.e., Zeke can keep playing until the full case is decided by the court) or whether the injunction should be removed (i.e., Zeke would start serving his suspension immediately). That hearing is going to take place on October 2nd and a decision should be made very shortly thereafter. I still think this gives Zeke a good shot at playing this season. I mean, the Fifth Circuit Court is simply going to be hearing all the same arguments that caused the injunction to be granted in the first place no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinkingcap Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Forum shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakFries Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Thinkingcap said: Forum shopping. This is the part that worries me. Far bigger threat than the injunction appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpat30 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, Pigskingpin said: I still think this gives Zeke a good shot at playing this season. I mean, the Fifth Circuit Court is simply going to be hearing all the same arguments that caused the injunction to be granted in the first place no? I don't think they're hearing the entire case. Pretty sure I just read the court ordered the two sides to submit a 5 page something and it will be finished after October 2nd. But I'm not a law major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronXBombers51 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Is McFadden still the cuff despite his inactives? Or did Morris jump him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrastersCreep Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 46 minutes ago, Excellent117 said: This is written by a non-lawyer who is completely unfamiliar with the judicial process. The ruling on the emergency stay will come very quickly after the hearing on the motion. The case on the merits won't be resolved any time soon, but the ruling on the injunction will not take long. Are you a lawyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveohnine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) He sounds like one. The writer of that blurb did not. Either way he's correct on the procedural stuff. And I agree it's not good news for Zeke Edited September 22, 2017 by Fiveohnine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpc115 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Let's just call it what it is... the so called experts know nothing. First he has no chance, then he'll play all season, then he'll be out starting week 2, then he'll play all season, then he'll be out week 5. If you're a gambler, like I am, keep him and get 6-1 money chance if he plays the season. If you're scared, try to pawn him off on a desperate 0-2 team as two high chance wins to even up the record. Most teams that have him should be 1-1 at best after the week 2 dud unless they faced a bigger dud like Jordy Nelson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveohnine Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 44 minutes ago, young dude said: Anyone selling on the news? I personally listed him for Julio Jones in an offer. lol. Do you consider that generous or something. You should have made that offer long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpc115 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Might even try buying low if I'm 2-0 with a shot at 3-0 in a 6 team playoff league. Week 12 return if he gets suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Varys Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 50 minutes ago, Excellent117 said: That hearing is going to take place on October 2nd and a decision should be made very shortly thereafter. Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Quote Ezekiel Elliott’s hearing with the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals is scheduled for October 2. It means Elliott is eligible to play at least the next two weeks. Elliott’s six-game suspension could kick in as soon as Week 5, depending on if the Fifth Circuit rules against his injunction. It's more legal drama that further muddles Zeke's status. Coming off a career-worst game at Denver, Elliott's rest-of-season outlook is trending down. Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Sep 22 - 5:44 PM WTF? One bad game and now RW is ready to say he's a bum? I thought all the talk about this legal mumble jumble was that the motion was going to be denied, or whatever needs to happen to allow him to play the whole season. What are the odds that he has to serve the suspension this year? I thought all the legal experts were saying it was very very low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CABLE87 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, CooL said: WTF? One bad game and now RW is ready to say he's a bum? I thought all the talk about this legal mumble jumble was that the motion was going to be denied, or whatever needs to happen to allow him to play the whole season. What are the odds that he has to serve the suspension this year? I thought all the legal experts were saying it was very very low. Thats why were here and not listening to "experts" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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