Ezekiel Elliott 2017 Season Outlook

[BlakeP42]

1 minute ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

logic aside, it's quite clear the back they've chosen to be inactive will become the early down runner and the back who is active every week will take a backseat. k, got it. 

If Zeke sits, what would be your expectation for Morris workload?

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

7 minutes ago, BlakeP42 said:

If Zeke sits, what would be your expectation for Morris workload?

 

if zeke sits, darren demigod would be active - they'd split ... it'd be frustrating ... i'm not bothering 

 

i just can't stand this "resting mcfadden" "morris plays special teams that's why" nonsense ... morris is active because the coaches want him active - not because mcfadden needs nappy time. 

[DezBryant88]

11 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

logic aside, it's quite clear the back they've chosen to be inactive will become the early down runner and the back who is active every week will take a backseat. k, got it. 

 

I mean have you actually watched the Dallas Cowboys or are you just going off of roto blurbs. If you truely believe Morris has the more polished skill set and fits better into that offense  than McFadden does then you roll with that decision but I guarantee you it's the the wrong one. 

 

McFadden going into week 1 vs the Giants was the clear starter regardless of preseason play and it would've stayed that way. However once the news came out that Zeke was going to be available Jason Garrett felt Morris was better suited to be the #2 back. Which is he, that's his bread and butter with the Cowboys. Yet as soon as Zekes gone whenever that may be if it is this season at all McFadden is there guy for early down work and Morris will stay doing what he's doing.

[BlakeP42]

1 minute ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

if zeke sits, darren demigod would be active - they'd split ... it'd be frustrating ... i'm not bothering 

 

i just can't stand this "resting mcfadden" "morris plays special teams that's why" nonsense ... morris is active because the coaches want him active - not because mcfadden needs nappy time. 

no doubt, Morris has never sniffed special teams at any point, esp with the Cowboys.  That Rod Smith specialty.

 

The Cowboys will call all hands on deck if Zeke sits.  I agree 100% that it becomes a full blown committee and a FF headache.   It would be very game dependent and production dependent one vs another between DMC/Morris.  As i said previously, its def not a situation to be relied upon for more then a flex play if this does occur if or when Zeke misses time.   I i had to guess, you would see them alternate starts, DMC would get solid work between the 20's and Morris would get more work inside the red zone.  Morris has more of a nose for the GL then DMC does from what i've seen over the years

[Fiveohnine]

1 minute ago, DezBryant88 said:

 

I mean have you actually watched the Dallas Cowboys or are you just going off of roto blurbs. If you truely believe Morris has the more polished skill set and fits better into that offense  than McFadden does then you roll with that decision but I guarantee you it's the the wrong one...

 

Actually it doesn't matter what he (or you, for that matter) believes.

 

And he doesn't need to make that decision. The coaches already have.

[DezBryant88]

Just now, Fiveohnine said:

 

Actually it doesn't matter what he (or you, for that matter) believes.

 

And he doesn't need to make that decision. The coaches already have.

 

Yeah because of the current situation. Once that situation shifts can the coaches not make another decision? Nothing is a LOCK because you see it one way right now. They are playing the cards that they are given. 

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

3 minutes ago, DezBryant88 said:

 

Yeah because of the current situation. Once that situation shifts can the coaches not make another decision? Nothing is a LOCK because you see it one way right now. They are playing the cards that they are given. 

 

sooo ... basically, morris is more suitable "as a backup" and has therefore made the active roster over Mcfadden because he's better suited to come off the bench than Darren Mcfadden - who would come off a month of not dressing and then take over as the "Starter" if needed - assuming kickoff doesn't interrupt his nap time. 

 

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/08/15/rb-alfred-morris-ready-help-replace-suspended-ezekiel-elliott-prepared

 

It's not the "faster, more explosive" Alfred Morris who showed up after putting in a ton of work on improving in the pass game. No, that'd make too much sense. 

[wonderbread]

Am I the only one that thought Zeke looked a little sluggish and worn out last week? On his long run, he looked slow. 

[tpat30]

He's looked slow all year. Think the dude partied too much over the summer. All of that should get better and better, unless of course he gets suspended and can't workout with the team.

[bob123dude]

IMO McFadden would be the first man up or at least the guy I would want to own if Zeke were out still.  Look at what happened last year with Cameron Artis-Payne.  Inactive for weeks and then Stewart went down and boom.  Not only was Artis-Payne active but he was the lead dog.  My best guess is a very similar situation would unfold in Dallas.  Not that my best guess is worth anything.  Just my 2 cents.  

[DezBryant88]

23 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

sooo ... basically, morris is more suitable "as a backup" and has therefore made the active roster over Mcfadden because he's better suited to come off the bench than Darren Mcfadden - who would come off a month of not dressing and then take over as the "Starter" if needed - assuming kickoff doesn't interrupt his nap time. 

 

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/08/15/rb-alfred-morris-ready-help-replace-suspended-ezekiel-elliott-prepared

 

It's not the "faster, more explosive" Alfred Morris who showed up after putting in a ton of work on improving in the pass game. No, that'd make too much sense. 

 

You can read articles all day. Let's watch it unfold though. I believe Zeke plays this entire season anyways.

[cs3]

Its not crazy to think that Morris complements Elliot better in  a backup role, rendering McFadden useless when Zeke is playing, but that McFadden has a better all around skill set and would be the preferred starter should Zeke miss time. 

[Fiveohnine]

It's not crazy to think a lot of things. But that doesn't make any of them the most likely scenario.

 

Don't get me wrong. If Zeke goes down I think it'll be a committee that may not be worth bothering with. And DMC would play a significant role. But it's also obvious who the coaches prefer at this point. And that matters much more than what any of us think.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Fiveohnine

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

6 minutes ago, cs3 said:

Its not crazy to think that Morris complements Elliot better in  a backup role, rendering McFadden useless when Zeke is playing, but that McFadden has a better all around skill set and would be the preferred starter should Zeke miss time. 

 

they used to think it wasn't crazy to think the world was flat ... 

 

oh wait, some morons still do. i wonder how many of them are still rostering mcfadden. 

[OrangeCrush]

Who is gonna be the RB to own if/when this suspension kicks in?

[TonyVH]

1 minute ago, OrangeCrush said:

Who is gonna be the RB to own if/when this suspension kicks in?

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[owenmills]

Agree with everything that's been posted. Seems evident Morris is first man up but also seems like it'll be a clusterf--- for fantasy purposes, and DMC could easily become the lead back due to Morris sucking or getting dinged up. As with anything in life you just have to go with the best odds and IMO the best odds are on Morris being the most fantasy useful.

 

More importantly, when will the next big update come out in this case? I believe the next court date was 10/2 so we should get some major developments this week?

[griffin727]

10 minutes ago, owenmills said:

Agree with everything that's been posted. Seems evident Morris is first man up but also seems like it'll be a clusterf--- for fantasy purposes, and DMC could easily become the lead back due to Morris sucking or getting dinged up. As with anything in life you just have to go with the best odds and IMO the best odds are on Morris being the most fantasy useful.

 

More importantly, when will the next big update come out in this case? I believe the next court date was 10/2 so we should get some major developments this week?

 

From what I understand we will know a lot based on what happens Monday. Although I also thought I read that "hearing" could drag on throughout the week.

[street sharks]

Anyone else get that "zeke owners should grab his handcuff in case suspension is upheld" notification from ESPN this morning?

 

Is that a cause for concern? I'm not even sure who the handcuff is at this point

 

[burninglegs]

9 minutes ago, street sharks said:

Is that a cause for concern? I'm not even sure who the handcuff is at this point

 

DMC.

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

15 minutes ago, burninglegs said:

 

DMC.

 

Yes, the guy who is once again inactive 

 

I’m sure he’s just resting though.

[FFCollusion]

On 9/29/2017 at 9:17 AM, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

logic aside, it's quite clear the back they've chosen to be inactive will become the early down runner and the back who is active every week will take a backseat. k, got it. 

 

It actually makes perfect sense to me and we've seen plenty of teams do this in the past.

The issue is not with DAL, it's with fantasy players who have predetermined biases of what a CoP back is suppose to be, or how depth charts work.

 

The way I 'read' this offense is as follows:

Alfred Morris is active, because DAL believes he compliments Zeke.  He's a 'Change of Pace' back, despite the way fantasy players view him based on his history, of being a 2 down grinder.  He is not the replacement to Zeke, he's the guy who offers a 'different look' to Zeke on game day.  My understanding is that DMC would be the 'replacement' to Zeke, as they are more similar backs(in regards to how the team/offense would use them).  Morris would continue to 'compliment' DMC.  The way I see it, DAL doesn't want Zeke and DMC on the field each week, because they are too similar in playstyle. (Again, I'm not comparing their talent or ability on the field, we're discussing their usage and tendencies relevant to the team/offense)

 

This is just my opinion, I have no inside information, nor is it based on any substantial evidence or reports.

If I'm picking a DAL RB to back up Zeke, I'm going with DMC.

 

This is very similar to the way I read the David Johnson situation.  I said I don't think K.Williams is even worth a waiver, and that CJ2K would be the back I want to own.  Sure enough there were a plethora of posts like CGoCP's above.  Depth chart this, cut that...  I don't care who was active on Sunday, I don't care what the depth chart says.  I know what I see, and I know what I know.  Granted, they've both been worthless, but the fact remains, CJ2K is the guy who got the job, despite K.Williams depth chart ranking, or Sunday status.

[owenmills]

25 minutes ago, street sharks said:

Anyone else get that "zeke owners should grab his handcuff in case suspension is upheld" notification from ESPN this morning?

 

Is that a cause for concern? I'm not even sure who the handcuff is at this point

 

 

No notification but I picked up Morris this morning. In case some notable news comes out between now and Wednesday when waivers unlock which makes Morris valuable.

[maxim730]

If anything happens on Monday, this is going to be a committee and nothing more. Morris got 1 carry last week. Elliot is getting ~95%+ of snaps

[owenmills]

1 minute ago, maxim730 said:

If anything happens on Monday, this is going to be a committee and nothing more. Morris got 1 carry last week. Elliot is getting ~95%+ of snaps

 

It doesn't mean one of them won't hold value. Committees are a way of life in the NFL now. 3 down workhorse RBs are rare.