Ezekiel Elliott 2017 Season Outlook

[Euphonetics]

21 hours ago, jonasdash said:

I suspect it's a case where 5th Circuit would like to set precedent for a TRO/Injunction case to be submitted prior to a ruling, but then ripening due to ruling being made before the presiding judge issues his ruling on the case - thus preventing future similar emergency stays of this nature being submitted to them due to setting precedent here that the lower court does have jurisdiction. 

I highly doubt that.  I think CA5 is more concerned about improper forum shopping.  If they wanted to prevent future stay requests they could have just denied with reason.  

[Euphonetics]

5 hours ago, FFdisciple said:

I spoke with a laywer who is a good friend about this last night.  If the 5th circuit does issue the stay on this matter Zeke can appeal it to the SCOTUS.  While that appeal is pending Judge Mazzants initial ruling for the injunction would stand until either the SCOTUS denys to hear the case or does hear the case.  If the appeal to the SCOTUS does happen it will take MONTHS for them to even decide if they will hear it.  The SCOTUS is very picky about what cases they hear and I were to bet I would say they dont hear it. But would give Zeke the time to play out this season.

That is not correct. They would have to request a stay of the circuit decision from CA5 or directly with SCOTUS while waiting on writ.

[Euphonetics]

2 hours ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

Read this

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ezekiel-elliott-lands-legal-victory-in-texas-eyes-now-turn-to-fifth-circuit-court/amp/

 

93% chance it isn't overturned ... not to mention the last judge more or less blasting the NFL for how awful they've handled this. 

The odds on Judge Berman getting overturned were less.  If you go through and look at the real appeals with real appellate attorneys filing, the stats would be much different.

 

Before the oral argument request I would have said it was 50/50 whether he serves the suspension this year or next.  Now I think it's probably closer to 60/40.

[The Caucasian Sensation]

I personally have had enough with the legal issues putting a dark cloud over his future. That and his stinker of a game last week has me shopping him around. I just offered Zeke and Diggs for Hunt and D. Parker.

[Members_Only_76]

25 minutes ago, The Caucasian Sensation said:

I personally have had enough with the legal issues putting a dark cloud over his future. That and his stinker of a game last week has me shopping him around. I just offered Zeke and Diggs for Hunt and D. Parker.

 

Let us know. 

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

So ... epic 200 yard 3 TD performance to shove in Goodell's face in prime time ?

[Members_Only_76]

19 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

So ... epic 200 yard 3 TD performance to shove in Goodell's face in prime time ?

 

[tonyg125]

Thata wxactly what I need hahaha

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

Darren Demigod Mcfadden

 

inactive. 

[crotchcrickets]

Has there been any sort of explanation as to why mcfadden has been inactive? 

 

I ask because i picked him up in case zeke's suspension was re-instated and it seems like he's the best option out of all the hot garbage behind zeke.

 

Is it safe to assume Morris is the cuff?

[frog34]

16 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

Darren Demigod Mcfadden

 

inactive. 

Yet he is probably still the back to own should Zeke get suspended or hurt.

[frog34]

3 minutes ago, crotchcrickets said:

Has there been any sort of explanation as to why mcfadden has been inactive? 

 

I ask because i picked him up in case zeke's suspension was re-instated and it seems like he's the best option out of all the hot garbage behind zeke.

 

Is it safe to assume Morris is the cuff?

Cuff situation is up in the air. They will ride whoever gets hot. My money is still on DMC. They don't want to expose him in a change of pace role behind Zeke for a few carries per game. I expect Morris to get the official start if Zeke misses time, but DMC is just the better runner for their system and would eventually emerge as the back to own.

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

2 minutes ago, frog34 said:

Yet he is probably still the back to own should Zeke get suspended or hurt.

 

Yup, that's why Morris continues to dress over him ... that's definitely a positive for Mxfadden 

 

(and no, Morris doesn't play special teams)

[frog34]

1 minute ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

Yup, that's why Morris continues to dress over him ... that's definitely a positive for Mxfadden 

 

(and no, Morris doesn't play special teams)

 

2 minutes ago, frog34 said:

Cuff situation is up in the air. They will ride whoever gets hot. My money is still on DMC. They don't want to expose him in a change of pace role behind Zeke for a few carries per game. I expect Morris to get the official start if Zeke misses time, but DMC is just the better runner for their system and would eventually emerge as the back to own.

 

[CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast]

I'm done arguing about something so blatantly obvious 

 

If McFadden was the better fit - he'd be active 

 

He was outplayed in practice and preseason - the coaches have already said this is why he is inactive.

 

 

[CooL]

22 minutes ago, frog34 said:

Yet he is probably still the back to own should Zeke get suspended or hurt.

 

19 minutes ago, frog34 said:

Cuff situation is up in the air. They will ride whoever gets hot. My money is still on DMC. They don't want to expose him in a change of pace role behind Zeke for a few carries per game. I expect Morris to get the official start if Zeke misses time, but DMC is just the better runner for their system and would eventually emerge as the back to own.

I've seen this logic in a number of places and can't understand it.  It seems flawed.  So because DMC is such a valuable handcuff, they want to save him just in case of emergency?  They don't want to risk him getting hurt and then they'd be screwed?  That's so ridiculous.  What if Zeke gets injured during the game?  If DMC was supposed to be next man up, he'd be inactive tonight, right?  So they'd play the rest of the game with Morris who isn't the preferred back-up?  Makes no sense.

[frog34]

1 hour ago, CooL said:

 

I've seen this logic in a number of places and can't understand it.  It seems flawed.  So because DMC is such a valuable handcuff, they want to save him just in case of emergency?  They don't want to risk him getting hurt and then they'd be screwed?  That's so ridiculous.  What if Zeke gets injured during the game?  If DMC was supposed to be next man up, he'd be inactive tonight, right?  So they'd play the rest of the game with Morris who isn't the preferred back-up?  Makes no sense.

It does make sense though. Seen it before so many times. Remember Knile Davis who was regarded one of the more valuable handcuffs? When Charles went down it was the mostly inactive Charcandrick West who took the load, and later on Ware who was a special teamer. With Zeke nobody really knows how it will play out but my money is on McFadden. Morris being active right now means zilch.

Edited September 26, 2017 by frog34

[gufomel]

Elliott is not being downgraded in any "expert" ROS rankings or trade value charts that I've seen. I put "experts" in quotes for a reason, as we all know how useless their rankings often are. But I do think it's interesting that they're not letting the potential of the Oct 2nd hearing resulting an immediate suspension have any impact on where they rank him ROS. If I were putting out ROS rankings, I certainly would not be putting him as the #2-3 RB ROS due to the potential suspension still looming.

 

Are we overreacting, or is there legitimate reason to be concerned that he could very well be suspended Weeks 5-11 (bye week in the middle)?

Edited September 27, 2017 by gufomel

[Agmaniacmike]

I was originally shopping him because of the concerns. But with Martin and Mixon on the bench, I think I can handle a suspension if it happens. Tons of options at receiver to FLEX if the need arises. 

 

Need that OL to do better though. 

[dakimbell]

6 hours ago, gufomel said:

Elliott is not being downgraded in any "expert" ROS rankings or trade value charts that I've seen. I put "experts" in quotes for a reason, as we all know how useless their rankings often are. But I do think it's interesting that they're not letting the potential of the Oct 2nd hearing resulting an immediate suspension have any impact on where they rank him ROS. If I were putting out ROS rankings, I certainly would not be putting him as the #2-3 RB ROS due to the potential suspension still looming.

 

Are we overreacting, or is there legitimate reason to be concerned that he could very well be suspended Weeks 5-11 (bye week in the middle)?

Was wondering the same thing. 

[omnom1337]

1 minute ago, dakimbell said:

Was wondering the same thing. 

I think the best you can do is just prepare a weekly lineup as if Zeke's suspension suddenly gets activated. That means having at least two serviceable RBs.

 

It's pretty easy to prep for, something that all Zeke owners should've done in the draft and should be doing in the weekly hot waiver pickups.

[Damn Yankee]

On 9/23/2017 at 12:10 PM, kp96 said:

The owners gave Goodell wide ranging powers to stamp out this kind of stuff and that's what he's doing.  That's what he did with Deflategate...any hint of cheating in the game has to be stamped out completely for the image of the league.  If the players don't like it, then they shouldn't have agreed to allowing Goodell that power.

 

The owners put this on the table and you're right, it's the PLAYERS (NFLPA) who gave Goodell wide ranging powers on ALL disciplinary matters.  How whats-his-face got re-elected as head of the NFLPA with no real competition is astonishing to me, it really is.  This CBA with Goodell's Authoritative-Regime-like judicial system is their fault.  They  signed the new CBA, and then as soon as Goodell starts exercising his judgement (good or bad) and wielding the hammer, the NFLPA cries foul.  The inability to see this was coming and then to re-elect the leadership that led them down this road is nuts.

 

The NFL was masterful in this negotiation...and the NFLPA got jobbed.  They were waving the look-over-here(!) flag the whole time...discussing rookie wage scales, salary caps, etc. (i.e. the money) which we all know the owners are going to come out on top of that one no-matter-what while they held the other hand with disciplinary rules behind their backs.  Shrewd...the Billionaires won again AND are still scooping huge profits while the players cry foul for something they agreed to.  Then, they re-elect the leader that drove the bus down this road.  Ouy Vey!

 

I think Zeke is going to lose and lose big...and I have a bad feeling it's going to be next week.  Burninglegs said this perfectly above...Goodell heard/read Kia Roberts opinion, took it in, then disagreed with it.  The CBA that the players signed gave him the power to do that...to hear evidence then decide that he doesn't personally agree with it.  Then, he gets to be the judge and jury and executioner and he's doing just that.  SCOTUS won't hear it after I bet this stay is overturned next week.  The only hope that we EZ owners have (besides it not being overturned) is that EZ gets to play during the appeal to SCOTUS and SCOTUS takes a while to make a decision.  I'm sure there are briefs involved, etc. that could drag that out.  

 

The CBA is mutually agreed upon...the players are screwed until they re-do it.  

 

Hey guys...stop beating your women.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Damn Yankee

[RevisAteMyQB]

Nothing that we've heard is new information, and suddenly it went from a near lock to him playing 16 games, to it being likely he gets suspended next week.

 

Where did this come from? 

[maxim730]

nowhere. people making stuff up.

 

next hearing is Monday, Oct 2. This is when judge will rule in NFL or Zeke's favor.  

[Euphonetics]

31 minutes ago, RevisAteMyQB said:

Nothing that we've heard is new information, and suddenly it went from a near lock to him playing 16 games, to it being likely he gets suspended next week.

 

Where did this come from? 

It was never a near lock.  That was a bunch of media members/analysts speculating based on self-serving sports law personalities.  These sports law personalities also said Brady won and would never serve a suspension. Those same guys assumed that the Fifth would never grant a stay or accelerated appeal in Zeke's case and so it was over.  Several legit labor and appellate attorneys thought otherwise.  They were surprised by Mazzant's decision and thought there was a good chance the Fifth would move on an expedited basis.  That line of thought was greatly supported by the Court's setting the NFL's stay motion for oral argument.