Woonga24 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 5th circus scrotum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSurgeMC Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: You shouldn't have to explain anything to your kid. They should idolize you, not a stranger dancing on TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylanfan66 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 42 minutes ago, FFdisciple said: I spoke with a laywer who is a good friend about this last night. If the 5th circuit does issue the stay on this matter Zeke can appeal it to the SCOTUS. While that appeal is pending Judge Mazzants initial ruling for the injunction would stand until either the SCOTUS denys to hear the case or does hear the case. If the appeal to the SCOTUS does happen it will take MONTHS for them to even decide if they will hear it. The SCOTUS is very picky about what cases they hear and I were to bet I would say they dont hear it. But would give Zeke the time to play out this season. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I'm trying to boil this down as much as possible Zeke's investigation (whoever did it) was not "fair" - and things going against the NFL were omitted from their report. Zeke has won this fight ever step of the way - any new developments to change that? Zeke has legal recourse on the off chance this nonsense does get reversed ... anyone think he won't use it if needed? He is not getting suspended - anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFdisciple Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: I'm trying to boil this down as much as possible Zeke's investigation (whoever did it) was not "fair" - and things going against the NFL were omitted from their report. Zeke has won this fight ever step of the way - any new developments to change that? Zeke has legal recourse on the off chance this nonsense does get reversed ... anyone think he won't use it if needed? He is not getting suspended - anytime soon. Jerry will make sure he fights it every step of the way this season you can be sure of that. With 5th requesting oral arguments I am worried that it could get overturned but hard to say at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Oral arguments?!? "Why'd you leave out the co-investigators report and suggestion to not suspend Ezekiel Elliot?" - "Ummmmm..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFdisciple Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: Oral arguments?!? "Why'd you leave out the co-investigators report and suggestion to not suspend Ezekiel Elliot?" - "Ummmmm..." That definatley comes in to play in this case. The NFL/Goddell has handled this horribly. Jurisdiction is what I am ultimately worried about with this. We all know that the NFL wants this to be heard in the 2nd circuit so they can get precedent applied. Edited September 23, 2017 by FFdisciple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, FFdisciple said: That definatley comes in to play in this case. The NFL/Goddell has handled this horribly. Combine that with no arrest/charges ... any actual case the NFL has is a joke - which is why Zeke has won, and will continue to win, this "fight" Edited September 23, 2017 by CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burninglegs Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: Oral arguments?!? "Why'd you leave out the co-investigators report and suggestion to not suspend Ezekiel Elliot?" - "Ummmmm..." That is incorrect. From Lisa Friel's testimony, we know that Goodell was aware of Kia Roberts' opinion that there was not enough evidence to suspend Zeke. Goodell decided otherwise as is his purview. Also, don't forget that Kia Roberts wrote the report that Goodell used to inform Goodell. So her opinion was given and was under consideration of Goodell plus Friel made known Roberts' opinion to Goodell herself. She was not silenced or ignored. Maybe her opinion wasn't the same as the decision made, but her opinion was heard based off her report. Also worth remembering that in the official report Roberts and Friel made no official recommendation to Goodell. So if the NFLPA is arguing that Zeke didn't have a fair arbitration because Roberts opinion wasn't heard, that would be false. Edited September 23, 2017 by burninglegs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp96 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 43 minutes ago, SadFaceHappy said: "Don't do that." Pretty simple. You'd prefer to explain to your kid how it doesn't matter whether or not he did/does something, or if there is evidence, just bend over and accept arbitrarily applied authority? Especially useful: accusations are grounds enough for punishment, regardless of evidence. Great life lesson there. Enjoy. No need for the sarcasm and you missed my point entirely. Of course if you are innocent, you should fight and you should not accept punishment. My point is that Goodell doesn't care. You and I may care but he does not. He cares about the image of the NFL and, regardless of whether Zeke is innocent or not, you can't tell me this doesn't make the league look bad. The owners gave Goodell wide ranging powers to stamp out this kind of stuff and that's what he's doing. That's what he did with Deflategate...any hint of cheating in the game has to be stamped out completely for the image of the league. If the players don't like it, then they shouldn't have agreed to allowing Goodell that power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burninglegs Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: I didn't say Goodell conducted the investigation ... but if you honestly think this was done independent of Goodell completely, I'd like to discuss some bridge real estate opportunities with you I think Goodell did everything to recuse himself from the investigation and influencing any part of it while it was ongoing. That would give him plausible deniability if this whole drama went into the PR nightmare that it is starting to become. Bad if Zeke gets suspended as Jerry Jones is upset. Bad if Zeke gets off from a league cracking down on bad behavior viewpoint and the image of The Shield. Edited September 23, 2017 by burninglegs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1223 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I don't see how Goodell can actually be considered for a contract extension when in two consecutive year's we've had high-profile cases actually going through the US court system over how many games they can play. And then (off topic) we have players careers being threatened/ended over weed while these guys are getting Vicodin by the handful. This is ridiculous. He's turning the NFL into a clown show. I understand they make bread with the guy, but the owners should understand that they're going to make boatloads of money no matter who is in charge; Goodell is a petty child just making everyone involved look bad. Also, shame on the NFLPA for even allowing him to be in this position of supreme authoritative power in the first place. Disclaimer: not a Zeke owner, or Cowboys or Pats fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1223 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) It's the same thing as organized crime. Goodell isn't at the head of this investigation in the same sense that Tony Soprano wasn't running north Jersey. It's called insulation. Goodell gives direction to his capos who give direction down the line. Edited September 23, 2017 by JJ1223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp96 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Do you guys remember when Goodell handed Ray Rice a 2 game ban for knocking out a woman? Do you remember the fallout in the media and from the fans over that? You can say he has overcompensated the other way, but believe me, he learned his lesson from that. I believe he even had to swallow his pride and apologize to the public. It would be a severe miscarriage of justice if Zeke actually didn't do anything wrong, was falsely accused, and suffered a punishment. Nobody can argue that. But I would also say that I understand why Goodell is doing what he is doing. As I said earlier, even if the courts rule against Goodell, he wins. He is showing the public that he will not condone any bad behavior in the league. Edited September 23, 2017 by kp96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 43 minutes ago, kp96 said: Do you guys remember when Goodell handed Ray Rice a 2 game ban for knocking out a woman? Do you remember the fallout in the media and from the fans over that? You can say he has overcompensated the other way, but believe me, he learned his lesson from that. I believe he even had to swallow his pride and apologize to the public. It would be a severe miscarriage of justice if Zeke actually didn't do anything wrong, was falsely accused, and suffered a punishment. Nobody can argue that. But I would also say that I understand why Goodell is doing what he is doing. As I said earlier, even if the courts rule against Goodell, he wins. He is showing the public that he will not condone any bad behavior in the league. Which goes back to what I've been saying all along - This is a charade to show how much he "cares" about domestic violence. It's blatantly obvious the NFL mishandled several aspects of this "investigation", but let's put on a show and fight this ruling. It's a joke. If Zeke was getting suspended, it wouldve happened already. If for some reason it does get reversed, Zeke will continue to challenge it. See ya in 2018 - when this will actually matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Read this https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ezekiel-elliott-lands-legal-victory-in-texas-eyes-now-turn-to-fifth-circuit-court/amp/ 93% chance it isn't overturned ... not to mention the last judge more or less blasting the NFL for how awful they've handled this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devaster Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: Read this https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ezekiel-elliott-lands-legal-victory-in-texas-eyes-now-turn-to-fifth-circuit-court/amp/ 93% chance it isn't overturned ... not to mention the last judge more or less blasting the NFL for how awful they've handled this. Mazzant is making a mockery of the actual legal system. I don't understand a judge being petty about the NFL covering their asses.. Zeke will eventually serve his suspension as the higher courts won't touch labor law and the CBA agreed to by both the NFLPA and the NFL. Just a matter of when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinkingcap Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 hours ago, FFdisciple said: I spoke with a laywer who is a good friend about this last night. If the 5th circuit does issue the stay on this matter Zeke can appeal it to the SCOTUS. While that appeal is pending Judge Mazzants initial ruling for the injunction would stand until either the SCOTUS denys to hear the case or does hear the case. If the appeal to the SCOTUS does happen it will take MONTHS for them to even decide if they will hear it. The SCOTUS is very picky about what cases they hear and I were to bet I would say they dont hear it. But would give Zeke the time to play out this season. LOL if the 5c stay the motion stay the motion zeke can still play until SCOTUS hears the case?? 1) you have an imaginary friend or 2) you are friend doesnt practice law. Do you know what stays the motion means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyDumps Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 SIAP or beating a dead horse, but is anyone rostering a handcuff? I just picked up Morris, but... shrug. RW is no help, according to them every Dallas RB, including Elliott, sucks and is trending down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavaman Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Last I heard he will be playing the rest of the season. Plan accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp96 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said: Which goes back to what I've been saying all along - This is a charade to show how much he "cares" about domestic violence. It's blatantly obvious the NFL mishandled several aspects of this "investigation", but let's put on a show and fight this ruling. It's a joke. If Zeke was getting suspended, it wouldve happened already. If for some reason it does get reversed, Zeke will continue to challenge it. See ya in 2018 - when this will actually matter. I don't disagree with this. It is a huge charade. Truth and rational thinking is secondary. The NFL will fight this to the end, even if they internally may feel Zeke is innocent. They don't want another Ray Rice. They're thinking it's better he serves the suspension even if it's not warranted than go through that media backlash. Edited September 23, 2017 by kp96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, CurlyDumps said: SIAP or beating a dead horse, but is anyone rostering a handcuff? I just picked up Morris, but... shrug. RW is no help, according to them every Dallas RB, including Elliott, sucks and is trending down. Tough call. Probably the guy Dallas has actually chosen to dress on game days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadFaceHappy Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, kp96 said: No need for the sarcasm and you missed my point entirely. Of course if you are innocent, you should fight and you should not accept punishment. My point is that Goodell doesn't care. You and I may care but he does not. He cares about the image of the NFL and, regardless of whether Zeke is innocent or not, you can't tell me this doesn't make the league look bad. The owners gave Goodell wide ranging powers to stamp out this kind of stuff and that's what he's doing. That's what he did with Deflategate...any hint of cheating in the game has to be stamped out completely for the image of the league. If the players don't like it, then they shouldn't have agreed to allowing Goodell that power. On this, you're absolutely correct. My objection was to the moralizing (I interpreted it as such) point being made. Both sides offer bad examples to the youth, but it seemed to me you were jumping on the easy target (Zeke) and assuming guilt while overlooking the, to me, more significant and troubling aspect of what we allow ourselves to expect from establishments of power. I see that in focusing on that I overlooked the bulk of your statements. My bad. And the league looks horrible largely due to Goodell's wielding of his power over the last 3, 4, 5 years Edited September 23, 2017 by SadFaceHappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadFaceHappy Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 hours ago, kp96 said: Do you guys remember when Goodell handed Ray Rice a 2 game ban for knocking out a woman? Do you remember the fallout in the media and from the fans over that? You can say he has overcompensated the other way, but believe me, he learned his lesson from that. I believe he even had to swallow his pride and apologize to the public. It would be a severe miscarriage of justice if Zeke actually didn't do anything wrong, was falsely accused, and suffered a punishment. Nobody can argue that. But I would also say that I understand why Goodell is doing what he is doing. As I said earlier, even if the courts rule against Goodell, he wins. He is showing the public that he will not condone any bad behavior in the league. He's acting in the same manner now as he did then - short-sighted and ONLY trying to cover his a**. This is what happens when you put useless .gov types in charge then give them ridiculously extensive power and discretion. Fml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveohnine Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 6 hours ago, OrangeCrush said: ...Pretty pissed about it. Just gave up Arod and Ajayi for him and Rivers thinking he was good for 16 weeks after reading this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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